Start of meeting: 30 October, 13:00
End of meeting: 31 October, 12:00
IUP: Georg Heygster GH Christian Melsheimer CM DTU-DCRS: Leif Toudal Pedersen LTP Roberto Saldo RS DMI: Søren Andersen SA Thomas Bøvith TB met.no: Harald Schyberg HS Frank Thomas Tveter FT SMHI: Nils Gustafsson NG Tomas Landelius TL
Freq. [GHz]: 89 150 183.31+/-7 183.31+/-3 183.31+/-1 channel no.: 1 2 3 4 5 Channel 1, 2: Window channels, Channel 3,4,5: around water vapour line.
// // LTP: If partitioning into regions is done, the region // borders have to be treated carefully (discontinuities) // NG: Why not use temperature profile from satellite // (AMSU-A) to decide which bias to use? // LTP: As to emissivities - some info on them is available... // NG: We use emissivity as a control variable, therefore // knowledge about the correlations between emissivities at different // frequencies can be very useful. // NG: When do you have TWV fields - we want to see the difference // between assimilating AMSU-B radiances and assimilating TWV (from // AMSU-B); we'll be ready for assimilating AMSU-B radiances in about // half a year. // CM: Depending on how well the algorithm is calibrated, // first fields can be ready by end of this year. //(G. Heygster):
// // NG: Can you retrieve total water, CLW + PWV? // GH/HS: Difficult to retrieve them simultaneously // since they have very different radiative behaviour. // Cloud ice is an error source because of scattering. // HS: Can CLW be retrieved using other sensors? // GH: Yes, e.g. Polder; needs sunlight. // HS: Can we also get AMSR data in near real time // LTP: Yes, possible (within about 4-6 hours) // GH: We use AMSR for daily sea ice maps (Gunnar Spreen, Lars Kaleschke), // sometimes, AMSR data are there faster than SSM/I //
SMHI: AMSU-B, humidity
met.no: AMSU-A, temperature
// // NG: Precipitation 0-6hrs dangerous, in first hour (0h-1h), values // might be erroneous // LTP: Use 2h-6h instead of 0h-6h? // NG: Yes, for example, but difficult to achieve. One possibility // is to use, e.g., 6h-12h. //
EARS + HIRLAM20 + OSI SAF --------------------------- = Tb's, RTTOV simulated Tb's, profiles, ice data
Input -> Output Operational: SSM/I Total ice concentration (and more) (HDF, GRIB + quicklooks) Experimental: QuikSCAT, MY ice fraction (new for IOMASA), AVHRR later: Better emissivity information
// // GH: There are activities on snow depth with AMSR, and snow/ice // interface temperature // TL/GH Priorities: which of the planned items first? // LTP: In winter, snow/ice interface temperature from radiometer // (AMSR), since snow quite transparent then // <- snow depth from HIRLAM? // -> snow surface temperature // TL: Emissivity at AMSU (A,B) channels? // LTP: OSI-SAF: ice concentration & ice type => we => emiss. at AMSU // freq. // HS: ...or directly from SSM/I (no detour via ice concentration/type) // GH: Emissivity. important, needed by many => we need to coordinate that // (DTU group is working on that) // LTP: Most crucial: AMSU-A channels; AMSU-B channels less influenced // SA: In the end, all improvements should be put into one model // HS/NG: That is the plan, and then we can assess the overall impact // of IOMASA // NG: This can take very long ... // CM/GH: ...follow-on projects? Discuss that later (e.g., next meeting) // GH: The CARE project should be made more aware of importance of // surface for NWP //
// // LTP/GH: Problems with calibration of AMSR data (used to calibrate // ice emissivity model. // GH: There are two different calibrations (a Japanese one and // one from F. Wentz), they are expected to converge; more info // on that in March 2004. //
// // GH: possible explanation: SST mainly from 6 GHz channel (least // sensitive to atmosphere / most sensitive to SST), has widest // opening angle => sees part of e.g., spacecraft // HS: Ice surface temperature? // LTP: Does not work yet, but this can be sorted out. // SA: Area north-east of Greenland looks strange also in TWV // LTP: Yes, that's an area of 30%-60% ice concentration // => different channels (having different footprints) see different // things => trouble //
// // LTP: DTU algorithm is related to Wentz's // SA: There is an alternative algorithm from Japan, completely // independent of Wentz's //
// // GH: You could compare with GPS-WV and Polder WV // NG: We are also assimilating ground-based GPS-WV estimates //
// // LTP: we should make comparison with IUP's CLW, TWV // GH: Advantage of Wentz's ocean emissivity model over MWMOD? // LTP: Wentz's model orders of magnitude more computationally // efficient because it is tuned to SSM/I and AMSR frequencies. // GH: AMSR: There is a correction for land contamination. //
// // GH: Stefan Voss (PhD thesis about sea ice, IUP, 2002) did not // observe reduced FY NT IC after melt events. // SA: Surprising because we have definitely observed that. // GH/SA: Not clear why the findings are so different... //
// // HS: Ocean: No correlation between 2 orbits // Ice: Some correlation // This might help algorithms //
// // HS: Not ideal yet //
// // LTP/RS: Problems with ENVISAT AO data: ordered data not recorded, // wrong scene on CD (DVD? tape?), ... //
// // GH: How can too many features reduce the accuracy? Is it // "overlearning" (too specific training)? // SA/TB: No, rather: some features are not very well correlated with // what we want to see => they introduce noise // RS: How do you know the "consistently useful features" are just the // ones that work best? // SA: Our results are based on 5 scenes of different physical // setting. So we can not say that choosing only the // "consistently useful features" will give the best results, // the "occasionally useful" features should be checked as // well. //
// // RS: Can you tell if a simple approach (thresholding) works as well? // SA: Why not, but quite likely it won't work well. Several of the // features are certainly best described by a combination of // texture and amplitude. How non-linear this is, we do not know // for sure. //(b) Turbulent sea limit (Baffin bay, Disko Island area, 16-26 Dec 2001):
// // CM: Water between ice dark? // SA: Typically yes, but theta-dependent. // SSM/I IC show the typical melt problems, but SAR always shows // contrast. This has to do with the radar wavelength. It can be // shown that C-band is largely immune to the larger snow grains, // whereas Ku band will be affected. Present SAR's operate in C-band. //
// // SA: Do we try to make microphysical description of ice on which // algorithm is based? or rather go on with empirical algorithm // LTP: A physical algorithm is nice, but we should have a fallback // option // GH: Now we have 2 totally different ice algorithms: // DTU's statistical (OEM) retrieval, and DMI's. // Should one of them be the "standard" one in IOMASA? // SA: Ice service should not rely on just one algorithm (e.g., switch // to bootstrap during melt events) // LTP: We should continue with both approaches; OEM does not always // work fine. // HS: And it's 2 different sensors: AMSR and SSM/I // LTP: Yes, but OEM algorithm with SSM/I works almost as fine as with // AMSR; however, SST retrieval works much better with AMSR. // Also consider: there are 3 SSM/I's but only 1 AMSR (used to be 2 // until recently...) //
who: | what | to whom | when |
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IUP: | TWV fields | DMI,DTU,SMHI | from end of 2003 |
CLW fields | met.no | ||
CLW algo. (R-fact.) | met.no, DMI,DTU | ||
temp. retr. algo. | met.no | ||
emiss. correlations (SEPOR/POLEX) | all | ||
Nathalie's PhD thesis | all (to website if o.K. with Nathalie) | ||
DTU: | L.T. Pedersen's PhD thesis | all | |
met.no: | HIRLAM data extraction (startup now) | all | |
DTU: | ice emissivity forward model, snow emissivity model | DMI | |
AMSR data (ftp) | DMI | ||
DMI: | report on melting events | all | |
experimental ice products | all | ||
SAF ice conc. | all: http://saf.met.no | ||
DTU: | AMSU emissivities | all | |
OEM retrieval (prelim. report) | all | end of 2003 | |
IUP: | List of arctic RS stations (so they can select satellite passes) | DTU | |
DMI: | Synop data 1996-2003 | IUP | |
IUP: | LaTeX template of Report | all: website |
DTU-IUP: compare CLW fields (from OEM and AMSU) for some example situations; IUP sends specification of example (cloud systems across ice edge) to DTU.
All project members agreed to shift Midterm Review (MTR) from end of month 22 to end of month 18, i.e. May 2004:
All participants of this meeting are to send electronic copies of their presentations to the coordinator, preferably in PDF format.
put link to online version of report (on DMI website) to IOMASA member web site
ASI | ARTIST sea ice algorithm |
CLW | cloud liquid water |
CWV | column water vapour (= TWV = PWV) |
DMI | Danish Meteorological Institute |
DTU-DCRS | Technical Univ. of Denmark, Danish Center for Remote Sensing |
EuroClim | European climate change [?] (http://euroclim.nr.no) |
FY | first-year (ice) |
IC | ice concentration |
IR | infra-red |
IUP | Institut für Umweltphysik (Environm. Physics), Univ. Bremen |
LWC | liquid water content |
met.no | Norwegian Meteorological Institute |
MY | multi-year (ice) |
NSIDC | National Snow and Ice Data Center |
NT | NASA TEAM (algorithm for sea ice concentration retrieval) |
NWP | numerical weather prediction |
OEM | optimal estimation method |
OSI | SAF Satellite Application Facility (SAF) on Ocean and Sea Ice |
PWV | precipitable water vapour (= TWV = CWV) |
SEPOR/POLEX | Surface Emissivities in POLar Regions - POLar EXperiment |
SMHI | Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute |
SST | sea surface temperature |
T | temperature |
Tb | brightness temperature |
TCW | total cloud water |
TWV | total water vapour (= CWV = PWV) |
WV | water vapour |